The Menopause Hour - Episode 46
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The Menopause Hour with Winona: Addressing Sex Stress: Practical Strategies to Increase Desire - Episode #46

Published: September, 2026

Dr. Cathleen Brown

Featured Physician

Cathleen M. Brown

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Madi Baldwin

Episode #46 of The Menopause Hour with Winona was a Doctor Dialogue hosted by Winona community manager Madi Baldwin, featuring Medical Director Dr. Cathleen Brown and guest Dr. Betsy Greenleaf, a board-certified urogynecologist and sexual medicine specialist. The conversation centered on restoring intimacy and sexual desire during perimenopause and menopause.

Dr. Brown and Dr. Greenleaf explained how stress, declining hormone levels, and gut health can affect libido. They discussed medical treatment options, such as localized vaginal estrogen, which can relieve vaginal dryness that may be impacting desire. The doctors also offered practical strategies, including targeted pelvic floor exercises and exploring different forms of intimacy outside of vaginal intercourse.

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Episode Details

  • Podcast: The Menopause Hour with Winona

  • Episode Number: 46

  • Episode Title: Episode #46: Addressing Sex Stress: Practical Strategies to Increase Desire

  • Host: Madi Baldwin

  • Featured Physician: Dr. Cathleen Brown

  • Guest: Dr. Betsy Greenleaf (Urogynecologist & Sexual Medicine Specialist at The Pause Institute)

  • Published Date: September 30, 2026

  • Episode Duration: 62 minutes

  • Format: Doctor Dialogue

  • Main Topics: Libido & desire, Stress & hormones, Gut-vaginal health

About The Menopause Hour with Winona Podcast

The Menopause Hour with Winona is a health and wellness podcast hosted by Winona Chief Medical Officer Dr. Michael Green and Medical Director Dr. Cathleen Brown. The show addresses common questions about perimenopause and menopause, combining medical expertise with straightforward discussions of symptoms, treatment options, and the science behind the menopause transition.

Episodes include live Q&A sessions, doctor-led conversations, and patient stories. In its live Q&A format, women from Winona's community submit questions directly to the hosts, creating practical discussions shaped by the concerns women commonly bring to their own doctors.

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About This Episode

This Doctor Dialogue paired Dr. Cathleen Brown with guest Dr. Betsy Greenleaf, a urogynecologist and sexual medicine specialist, to unpack the physical and emotional sides of low desire during perimenopause and menopause. They emphasized how chronic stress, declining testosterone and estrogen levels, and gut and vaginal health are all factors that can influence a woman's sex drive.

The conversation then moved from the science of low libido during the menopause transition to more practical guidance. The doctors explained how vaginal estrogen and pelvic floor exercises can support pleasure, why waiting to feel "in the mood" can work against a person, and how open conversations with a partner can ease some of the pressure around intimacy.

Dr. Brown and Dr. Greenleaf also answered listener questions about how long it takes for women to experience improvement in urogenital symptoms with vaginal estrogen, the use of sex toys, and sexual wellness after a traumatic brain injury.

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Topics Covered

  • How chronic stress and sexual desire compete for the same hormonal resources

  • How declining testosterone and estrogen levels affect libido and arousal during perimenopause and menopause

  • The gut-brain-libido connection and the role of the vaginal microbiome

  • How vaginal estrogen supports genital blood flow, tissue elasticity, and natural lubrication

  • Strengthening the pelvic floor to support orgasm and reduce urinary leakage

  • The role of sleep in weight management, stress reduction, and improving desire

  • The Rosemary Basson model of responsive desire, rather than spontaneous desire

  • Talking openly with a partner about symptoms of perimenopause and menopause

  • Exploring self-pleasure and masturbation to better understand the body's response

  • What sex toys can and can't do for libido, and how to avoid desensitization

  • How long vaginal estrogen typically takes to improve comfort and pleasure

  • Evaluating over-the-counter vaginal wellness products for safety and ingredients

Key Takeaways

Stress and desire can't coexist on a chemical level

Dr. Greenleaf explained that sex hormones are produced from cholesterol primarily when the body is in a relaxed, parasympathetic state. Under stress, the body prioritizes survival over reproduction, shifting from hormone production to cortisol production. Managing stress levels is a direct way to support sexual desire.

Testosterone decline starts years before perimenopause

Dr. Brown noted that testosterone levels begin dropping in a woman's 30s, well before perimenopause symptoms typically appear, and continue declining alongside estrogen levels. Both hormones affect how genital tissue responds to sexual stimuli. Restoring estrogen levels through hormone replacement therapy (HRT) can enhance tissue function, while supplementing with DHEA can help raise women’s natural testosterone levels, which may improve libido. 

Gut and vaginal microbiome health are linked to libido

Dr. Greenleaf explained that gut bacteria produce most of the body's serotonin, and a healthy gut is associated with a stronger sex drive in both men and women. She described how declining estrogen levels cause the vaginal tissues to thin during menopause. This reduces glycogen (the form of glucose the body stores for energy), which is the primary food source for healthy vaginal bacteria. As the microbial environment shifts, libido may be negatively affected.

Vaginal estrogen can help even if a woman is not experiencing dryness or pain during sex

Dr. Brown explained that reduced pleasure during sex can occur even when dryness or pain isn't present. Declining estrogen levels affect how nerve endings in the vulva and vagina respond to touch. She noted that localized vaginal estrogen supports blood flow and tissue responsiveness, with improvements typically building gradually over about a month of consistent use.

Responsive desire can be built through willingness to explore rather than waiting for the mood to strike

Dr. Greenleaf introduced the Rosemary Basson model of sexual response, explaining that desire doesn't need to be spontaneous to be real. She recommended setting aside dedicated time, either alone or with a partner, without the expectation that sexual activity must lead to intercourse. She emphasized how a willingness to explore can stimulate desire, rather than waiting to feel "in the mood."

Cathleen M. Brown

Dr. Cathleen M. Brown

Obstetrics & Gynecology

Dr. Cathleen Brown is a menopause specialist and physician with Winona. She brings a physician’s perspective to menopause, perimenopause, hormone changes, symptom care, and treatment options during midlife.

At Winona, Dr. Brown helps women better understand symptoms, health history, hormone changes, and when physician-reviewed care may be appropriate.

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Winona is a physician-led telehealth company focused on menopause and perimenopause care. Its board-certified physicians help women understand symptoms such as hot flashes, night sweats, sleep disruption, mood changes, brain fog, vaginal dryness, intimacy issues, weight changes, hair thinning, and joint discomfort.

When appropriate, Winona offers personalized treatment plans that may include hormone replacement therapy, bioidentical HRT, estrogen, progesterone, vaginal estrogen, and non-hormonal options. Winona also provides education and community support for women navigating hormone changes, menopause symptoms, perimenopause, and postmenopause.

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