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The Strength in Hormones Podcast: Dr. Cathleen Brown on Cognitive Health & Hormones in Perimenopause - Episode #99

Published: March, 2025

Dr. Cathleen Brown

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Cathleen M. Brown

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Lauren Papanos

Dr. Cathleen Brown, Medical Director at Winona, joined host Lauren Papanos on Episode 99 of The Strength in Hormones Podcast (also known as The Functional Fueling Podcast) to unpack how declining estrogen affects the brain during perimenopause and menopause — from memory and focus to mood and stress resilience.

The conversation covers why brain fog looks different in perimenopause versus post-menopause, how cortisol and insulin resistance compound cognitive symptoms, and why so many women are handed an antidepressant before anyone discusses hormone therapy. It's a science-grounded, practical listen for anyone whose brain doesn't feel like it used to.

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Episode Details

  • Podcast: The Strength in Hormones Podcast

  • Episode: 99

  • Episode Title: Cognitive Health & Hormones: How to Naturally Support Your Mind Through Perimenopause with Dr. Cat Brown

  • Host: Lauren Papanos

  • Guest: Dr. Cathleen Brown

  • Published Date: March 5, 2025

  • Episode Duration: 47 minutes

  • Format: Audio Interview

  • Main Topics: Perimenopause, HRT, Cognitive Function, Hormones, Brain Fog

About The Strength in Hormones Podcast

The Strength in Hormones Podcast (formerly The Functional Fueling Podcast) is hosted by Lauren Papanos, a Functional Registered Dietitian and hormone specialist. Released every Wednesday, the show mixes solo "LOdown" episodes with expert interviews on natural hormone balance, metabolic health, medicinal foods, and intentional exercise.

In this episode, Papanos brings on Winona's Dr. Cathleen Brown to dig into the brain science behind perimenopause, from estrogen's role in cognition to practical strategies for managing brain fog and mood.

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About This Episode

Dr. Brown starts by explaining estrogen's outsized role in brain function — supporting memory, learning, attention, and neurotransmitter production — and why its irregular decline during perimenopause produces the unpredictable symptoms so many women describe as brain fog. She draws a clear distinction between the gradual hormone shifts of natural perimenopause and the sudden, more severe cognitive changes seen in surgical menopause, when the ovaries are removed.

The conversation also digs into the mental health side of the equation: Dr. Brown shares that more than half of her patients seeking HRT had already been prescribed an antidepressant, often without anyone considering hormones as the root cause. She closes by walking through the mechanics of cortisol and insulin resistance, why "meno belly" and brain fog are connected, and how hormone therapy — dosed far lower than birth control — can help restore balance safely for most women.

Topics Covered

  • Estrogen's role in memory, learning, attention, and neurotransmitter function

  • Why brain fog differs between perimenopause and full menopause

  • How surgical menopause (oophorectomy) may cause faster cognitive symptom onset

  • The connection between estrogen loss, mood, anxiety, and depression

  • Why antidepressants are often prescribed before hormone therapy is even discussed

  • Cortisol, chronic stress, and its impact on memory and brain volume

  • The glucose-insulin connection to brain function and "type 3 diabetes"

  • Midlife insulin resistance, weight gain, and nutrition strategies

  • Bioidentical hormone therapy vs. birth control pills

  • Choosing between transdermal, oral, and other HRT delivery methods

  • DHEA as a gentler alternative to testosterone therapy for women

  • Safety of vaginal estrogen even for women with a cancer history

Key Takeaways

Estrogen Loss Drives "Brain Fog" Through Multiple Brain Functions

Dr. Brown explains that estrogen supports memory, learning, attention, and neurotransmitter function throughout the brain, so its decline during perimenopause and menopause can produce the collection of cognitive symptoms commonly grouped as brain fog.

Surgical Menopause Causes a Faster, More Severe Cognitive Shift

Dr. Brown notes that women who have their ovaries removed experience a sudden hormone drop and often develop cognitive and mood symptoms more abruptly than women who go through a gradual, natural transition.

Mood Symptoms Are Often Treated with Antidepressants Instead of Hormones

Dr. Brown shares that more than half of her patients seeking HRT were already on an antidepressant, even though the root cause of their mood changes was often declining estrogen rather than a separate mental health condition.

Chronic Stress and High Cortisol Worsen Cognitive Decline

Dr. Brown explains that the sleep disruption and hot flashes common in perimenopause push the body into a chronic stress state, and elevated cortisol can impair memory and language processing, and even reduce brain volume over time.

HRT Is Not the Same as Birth Control, and Dosing Is Far Lower

Dr. Brown clarifies that hormone therapy uses lower doses than birth control pills and supplements the body's natural hormone production rather than suppressing it — and that estrogen alone, without progesterone, has not been shown to increase breast cancer risk.


Cathleen M. Brown

Dr. Cathleen M. Brown

Obstetrics & Gynecology

Dr. Cathleen Brown is a menopause specialist and physician with Winona. She brings a physician’s perspective to menopause, perimenopause, hormone changes, symptom care, and treatment options during midlife.

At Winona, Dr. Brown helps women better understand symptoms, health history, hormone changes, and when physician-reviewed care may be appropriate.

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Frequently Asked Questions About This Strength in Hormones Podcast Episode

  • The episode is available on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.


  • The Strength in Hormones Podcast is hosted by Lauren Papanos.


  •  Dr. Brown explains that estrogen supports memory, learning, attention, and neurotransmitter function, so declining estrogen levels can produce the cluster of cognitive symptoms commonly called brain fog.


  • No, Dr. Brown clarifies that hormone therapy uses much lower doses than birth control pills and supplements the body's natural hormone production rather than suppressing it.