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Menopause Rise and Thrive: Dr. Cathleen Brown on Hormonal Health During Perimenopause and Menopause - Episode #83

Published: December, 2024

Dr. Cathleen Brown

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Cathleen M. Brown

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Dr. Sara Poldmae

Dr. Cathleen Brown, Winona's Medical Director and a board-certified OB/GYN, joined host Dr. Sara Poldmae on episode 83 of Menopause Rise and Thrive, "Demystifying Hormonal Health for Women in Midlife," to talk candidly about perimenopause, hormone replacement therapy, and the gaps women often hit when seeking care.

The conversation covers why perimenopause symptoms are so easy to dismiss, why HRT gets confused with birth control and antidepressants, and why so much fear around HRT and breast cancer is out of proportion to the actual risks. It's a practical listen for anyone trying to separate real medical guidance from outdated assumptions.


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Episode Details

  • Podcast: Menopause Rise and Thrive

  • Episode: 83

  • Episode Title: Demystifying Hormonal Health for Women in Midlife with Dr. Cat Brown

  • Host: Dr. Sara Poldmae

  • Guest: Dr. Cathleen Brown

  • Published Date: December 5, 2024

  • Episode Duration: 30 minutes

  • Format: Audio Interview

  • Main Topics: Perimenopause symptom recognition, hormone replacement therapy vs. birth control/antidepressants, HRT safety myths, hormone testing, self-advocacy in menopause care

About Menopause Rise and Thrive

Menopause Rise and Thrive is hosted by Dr. Sara Poldmae, a doctor of acupuncture and Chinese medicine and functional medicine practitioner, and features weekly conversations on perimenopause, menopause, and postmenopause. The show blends medical guidance with real-world stories to help women feel supported through the physical and emotional shifts of this stage of life.

In this episode, Dr. Poldmae sits down with Dr. Cathleen Brown of Winona for a wide-ranging conversation on why menopause care so often falls short — and what women can do to get better answers from their providers.

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About This Episode

Many women spend years explaining away perimenopause symptoms — blaming brain fog on stress, mood changes on a divorce, or fatigue on a busy schedule — before ever connecting the dots. In this episode, Dr. Cathleen Brown draws on her own delayed perimenopause diagnosis, despite being an OB/GYN herself, to make the case for tracking symptoms early and taking them seriously.

The episode also tackles two of the most persistent points of confusion in menopause care: why physicians often default to birth control or antidepressants instead of HRT, and why fear of breast cancer keeps both patients and doctors from considering hormone therapy at all. Dr. Brown walks through the WHI study's outsized influence on modern prescribing habits, when hormone testing actually matters, and how to spot menopause clinics that aren't staffed by licensed prescribers.

Topics Covered

  • How Winona's asynchronous telemedicine model works and where it's available

  • Why perimenopause symptoms are easy to misattribute to stress, divorce, or aging

  • Common early signs of perimenopause, from brain fog to mood and libido changes

  • The value of tracking symptoms before a doctor's visit

  • Why antidepressants and birth control are often prescribed instead of HRT

  • How synthetic birth control hormones differ from bioidentical HRT dosing

  • Debunking the link between HRT and breast cancer risk

  • The Women's Health Initiative study's lasting effect on HRT prescribing habits

  • When hormone testing is (and isn't) medically useful, and why testosterone is the exception

  • How to spot non-reputable menopause clinics and unregulated hormone testing

  • Estrogen's role in brain health and cognitive function

  • Practical tips for advocating for better care from a physician

Key Takeaways

Dr. Brown encourages women to keep a running log of symptoms rather than waiting until they can clearly name what's happening. She notes that early perimenopause signs — like brain fog, mood shifts, or subtle sleep changes — are often vague enough to explain away, and a documented pattern gives both patient and provider much more to work with.

HRT Is Often a Better Fit Than Birth Control or Antidepressants

Dr. Brown explains that antidepressants only address a fraction of perimenopause symptoms, while birth control pills use a much higher, synthetic hormone dose than HRT and may carry a higher risk of complications like blood clots and stroke. She points out that HRT from Winona uses lower, bioidentical doses designed to support the body rather than override it.

The Breast Cancer Fear Around HRT Has Been Misinterpreted

According to Dr. Brown, breast cancer is the most common concern she hears from women considering HRT. She ties much of this fear back to older research linked to the Women's Health Initiative study. She points out that, overall, more women die each year from heart disease than breast cancer, and emphasizes that breast cancer has more significant risk factors, including alcohol consumption, rather than HRT itself. 

Hormone Testing Isn't Always Necessary — Except for Testosterone

Dr. Brown explains that most hormone treatment decisions are symptom-based rather than lab-based, since hormone levels can fluctuate too quickly to be reliably useful. Testosterone is the exception, she says, because its narrow therapeutic range and controlled-substance status make in-person monitoring important.

Self-Advocacy Is Essential When Providers Dismiss Symptoms

Dr. Brown urges women not to accept being dismissed by a provider who isn't comfortable discussing or treating perimenopause. She suggests directly asking a provider if they're comfortable treating these symptoms, and if not, asking for a referral or seeking care elsewhere.

Cathleen M. Brown

Dr. Cathleen M. Brown

Obstetrics & Gynecology

Dr. Cathleen Brown is a menopause specialist and physician with Winona. She brings a physician’s perspective to menopause, perimenopause, hormone changes, symptom care, and treatment options during midlife.

At Winona, Dr. Brown helps women better understand symptoms, health history, hormone changes, and when physician-reviewed care may be appropriate.

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Menopause Rise and Thrive with Dr. Sara Poldmae.

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